Leave John Tricoci Alooooone!

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By Sharon Daly

Let's give the Tricoci family some peace and quiet. Here's your new chew toy, Observer, so you can share your deep thoughts. (God, he's crazier than Sentry.) 

And can i make a suggestion to all others? Please, find a unique nym you like and stick w/it: it makes our conversations evermore useful and sensible. Thx in advance.

EDIT/ADDITION: Below is a 2009 post from Watcher at FPForums. It was bumped over there today and i have copy/pasted here, to put some history/context into the discussion. The great thing about FPF is you can search (and find!) details of discussions and who said what. A treaure, I tells ya'.

"For those who think there's this sinister cabal behind the curtain, this is pretty much it. The forums have evolved to what's here now from a guestbook on the original ForestPark.com and an email list serve started ~1998. There have been several forums before this and each had its pros and cons. For the most part, updating and/or upgrading the platform meant jettisoning the membership and data. 

There may be better forum software today, but changing platforms would mean starting over again from scratch. Not to mention the time and $$$, the inevitable "bugs" that would have to be hammered out of the new or the loss of over 47,000 posts in 2,400 topics. As witnessed today, any efforts to cull, winnow or otherwise attempt to bring what might pass for order to the circus cause almost instant rumblings along the webstrings that hold this place together. 

Some would say "no great loss" to just wiping out the past and starting fresh. It's just a bunch of crybaby whiners. 

And they have every right to say that. But I will say that this place has been pretty consistent WYSIWYG and the only deliberate administrating has been occasional emptying of the litterboxes and consistent removal of seriously demented/disturbed/empty postings and their authors. 

Certain members frequently bash the regulars as providing nothing to and for the community. They likely say the same things about the FoPa Review out in the meat-world. To paraphrase George Bailey; "This town needs these measly, one-horse institutions if only to have someplace where people can come without crawling to MATC." 

Constructive suggestions for improvements are always welcomed. We've learned a lot from past mistakes and know there's always more to learn. 
This is neither a place for children nor for alleged grown-ups who just want to act like a child. 

At it's best it's an informal gathering of viewpoints around which people can agree or agree to disagree. 

MATC withdrew from regular participation here under the pretense that it was just talk and he's a man of actions. The truth is that he couldn't sell his s**t here, so he quit. All of his justifications are lame excuses for his inability to move his product HONESTLY. He left after Admin mistakenly gave in and gave MATC access to the database. He trashed the place, and has kept verbally trashing it ever since. 

Thankfully, there are backups copies of the earlier pre-purge forums. So far, there hasn't been reason to go through the hassle of restoring them. But it was on the record here then and remains part of the record despite the deletions. 

This long-winded monologue has no present purpose, it's just a capsule of events and evolution. YMMV."

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Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 5:37 PM

@ Bill, I wasn't inferring anything about your service, it was a poke at you sir not having any place else to go besides these comment boards, I'm sure someone is paying attention to your "screed". We know at least Pie will comment, we know Watcher is mad at you, we know Sharon is looking in a mirror, and no one really knows what Logic is doing? Watcher from FoPa, not to be confused with FPF Capo Watcher is taking notes ;)

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 5:14 PM

I thought you exited the inner sanctum, Sun Tzu.....I don't recall trying for Officer Candidate School when I was in the Navy. So I'm sure it wasn't me. I'm sure it wasn't you either, because you couldn't have made it through boot camp, even if you'd bothered backing up your rhetoric with military service.

Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 4:50 PM

@ Bill was that "Watcher" standing over you saying I want your D.O.R. and wasn't that you screaming "Don't you do it, I got no place else to go" ?? Familiar ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g2JN2PrHJg

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 3:20 PM

"Time to exit the inner sanctum of the inherently hypocritically pious "........Well, see ya later, Sun Tzu. Off to train a few more concubines?

Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 12:23 PM

Time to exit the inner sanctum of the inherently hypocritically pious ;)

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 11:45 AM

you're talking in circles, you got nothin'. like watcher said, your toys are broken and you're bored. adios.

Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 11:01 AM

@ Sharon Debbie Downer Daly well we know PE isn't good for FP and we know PMSA isn't quite the answer we had hoped for. At least MATC didn't sell off Altenheim to Fenwick. You still have a chance. Perhaps just for fun Bill could take his single minded focus off MATC and do a Pro vs Con study on an Independent hosted by FP. Bob Cox is thinking of a steering committee and Logic is referring to her laptop as "Blanket" G'day!

Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 10:26 AM

Exactly a school like AC would enhance the community, it's Independent and can't be tarnished by Proviso corruption, it would attract desirable financially stable families and help keep current residents from moving. Yes there would need to be a tax credit or incentive in place for FP homeowners. Why is it inconceivable? Many different ways to create a revenue stream. How about naming it after Dr. Orland - who wouldn't support that? Like I stated, the school issue is problem #1.

waiting for voucher explanation from FP  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 9:55 AM

what is to stop FPers who can afford it sending their kids to UCLab, or Latin, or Francis Parker, ...? Point us to a link describing the IL program whereby FPers would get vouchers for sending their kids to a local private school? AFAIK, IL hasn't such a program. Besides people don't move to Hyde Park or North & Sheridan for the access to the private schools there.

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 9:51 AM

We get that you're trying to sell a new school, but you haven't made a lick of sense as to why that would be good for Forest Park. You are arguing that the core of Winnetka's and Downers Grove's success as communities is because they have a an outstanding private school attended by students from other suburbs. When are you going to provide evidence for that assertion?

Observer  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 9:23 AM

@Sharon, that's pretty good, Rahms kids attend U of C Lab School - look that one up, yeah why should FP even consider a school like that I mean FP is not worthy like Downers Grove or Winny up north. Aim small stay small ;) FP residents know their place - keep reminding them of that, Ken Knacks book on FP accurately describes the comportment.

O  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 9:12 AM

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Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 23rd, 2013 9:04 AM

Hmm. Free! Schools, Fancy! Schools isn't getting much traction, Observer. You've got some time til the 2015 election so how about this: get Rahm and the Great Lakes governors to allow a tributary from Lake Mich, down the Ike and into our cemeteries. Think of all the wealthy folks w/gifted children who will buy here for waterfront property! And the luckies who live presently live along our new lakefront will become instant millionaires and definitely, positively vote for you! Like you, I haven't thought out the exact details of this scheme but it could totally happen! Right?

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 6:30 PM

@ Watcher from FoPa, another new friend, let's see what I can discern about you from your prior posting, I'm done picking on Bill ;) Healy's love it, had a great time I was the designated driver though...I recommended they order some 312 it's the new "it" beverage from Goose..;) Join us next time!

watcher from FoPa  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 6:10 PM

Obtrudists, It is a shame that your TruthSquad site was hacked and that you seem to lack the IT resources to get it back. Maybe Tommy will revive the other stealth sites, or you could go back to Reviewing the Review or TFYATDT or all the way back to dropping random screeds on sites that had nothing to do with FoPa. Nah, keep it simple and use the ForestParkDiscussionForum on Facebook where you can shat yourself silly pretending to be any of your clever pseudos. Hey Obs, how's the 312 at Hosty's?

Trudy from Long time Forest Park  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 5:39 PM

Oh "O", I love it, if my hubby would let me I'd like to watch some football with you we could have some great laughs. I can just imagine Billy serving the beers from behind the bar, Piehead perched on a high top all by herself, Sharon having a conversation with the pictures on the CD labels inside the box and responding to the whispers of Watcher from within.

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 5:16 PM

Ok just an update Watcher is back from Palm Springs, his first order of business was to round up the clan, Bill took a lashing & demotion, he and all FPF members are to refrain from uttering Ad hominem, any use results in immediate suspension, Bill must now use dolium volvitur upon describing his work ;) Pie couldn't make it, her brother's friends Uncle's 3rd cousin once removed had a garage sale. Logic is still not taking calls, drapes closed and only peers out the window, Sharon in spin mode

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 3:46 PM

And Trudy, if you want to practice watching things carefully, you should start with your spelling and punctation.

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 3:44 PM

Oh, well, OK "Trudy." You just go on and watch me carefully, dear. Maybe you and Observer can spell each other.

watcher from FoPa  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 2:01 PM

HA! FPR comments, welcome to my nightmare. Cat-herding lessons are available...

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 1:42 PM

Thanks Trudy, if my opponent is stronger I retreat, weaker I go for it...equally matched I assess the situation and proceed accordingly ;) I actually like my new friends here, I find Billy a most formidable opponent unlike Brian K who I really didn't care for. I like a challenge ! I also know not to press a desperate foe too hard ;)

Gina Thomas from Forest Park  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 1:33 PM

@O I get your idea but I struggle to understand how it solves the problem of FP residents having a place their kids can get a great and safe education. Seems like it would lure in people from outside of FP and working class FP'rs with average kids are still in the exact same situation.

Trudy from Long time Forest Park  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 1:27 PM

@ Observer, the basic problem lies within the likes of little Billy, his mind is so twisted that he professes to write fact when it comes from his mouth or keyboard and or whatever he copies from stories from who knows where when in reality truth be told we will never be able to separate fact from fiction when it is written by Bill. He has shown a true perpencity to seek and attempt to destroy at all cost. Ay person like this needs to be watched carefully.

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 12:30 PM

@ Bill, I was talking to a friend that resides in Chicago and they describe the fierce competition to get your kid into some of these 'elite" schools, waiting lists, letters from Senators, you name it. Again, I'm thinking of supply & demand and FP location as a collar suburb. The parents don't have a problem dropping thousands on Pre-K so why not at least consider the possibility that it could be developed through a variety of strategic planning ideas..makes sense to me, I'm crazy though ;)

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 12:13 PM

But assume I'm wrong, and there is a large number of parents in Forest Park who will pay even part of $70,000 for just one kid to attend a new "elite" school here. The St. Bernadine's campus is available, with lots of parking. That still leaves the problem of developing a large scholarship fund to defray the tuition. But go for it, if it's such a workable idea. I'll happily be proven wrong.

Bill Dwyer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 12:05 PM

There are two insurmountable problems with establishing an "elite" high school in Forest Park- cost and user choice. At the stated $17,787 a year, parents must come up with more than $70,000 for one kid's high school education. And the majority parents who can afford to forgo use of a tax supported high school and spend tens of thousands on private education usually find it's preferable to buy homes in communities that already provide quality public education.

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 11:57 AM

Hey I'm heading out to watch some football, last night I welcomed the FPF members to join me for a drink, of course none of them showed, Pie was confirmed but at the last minute her neighbors cousin's friend had something come up, I understand..I think Bill tried to get in, however, the guys at the door wouldn't let him in for some reason?Watcher is apparently flying in from Palm Springs Cali? Someone saw Logic peering out of her house with the shades down & lights out? Sharon stayed @ Starbucks

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 11:37 AM

Good point, I guess I was thinking 2 big for blue collar Forest Park, sell off Altenheim to Fenwick, then Forest Park kids can get jobs sweeping up after Fenwick games..It's really no different than trying to land a name brand company, why not explore the idea of an elite school in FP? with the goal of also attracting "stable" families & that purchase homes, invest in them and shop in town. PMSA is still tied to Proviso Township let's explore all options..

Gina Thomas from Forest Park  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 11:10 AM

If you're talking about schools for smart kids why not just focus on making PMSA amazing? I realize that the way that school was started is questionable but it's there, now.

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 10:38 AM

(The school's annual fund provided the remaining $5,500.) The Latin School, where 12 percent of the students get financial aid, provides as much as $17,787 to some pupils. It's a topic worth at least exploring? Do you have a better solution to stabilizing the community and stem the flow of families moving away? Do you think that perhaps hosting such a school my attract "stable" non-transient families? Tough questions...I see it as a plus for current residents and incentive for new residents ;)

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 10:34 AM

@ Sharon, Gifted, yes, that doesn't necessarily mean Harvard jr..a reasonable score on a state assessment exam - To lighten the tuition burden for qualified but needy students, all of the schools provide some measure of financial aid. Last year, each of the 85 students at Chicago Jesuit Academy?"where the annual average cost to educate a student is $17,500?"received a $12,000 scholarship, which was provided by an individual, a corporation, or a foundation. (continued)

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 10:18 AM

I'm not sure how establishing an elite school for gifted students stabilizes Our community.

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 9:58 AM

The impact of an Independent School on a community (see reviews) http://www.greatschools.org/illinois/downers-grove/5169-Avery-Coonley-School/?tab=reviews

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 9:47 AM

Look at the transformation of Madison Street, why is it so successful? because they brought in quality business owners who had a vision of what could be done. I'm not writing off PMSA either, that could absolutely be improved upon, I wont budge on PE until they reign in the safety issue. FP Middle School seems to have a handle on their prior issues, perhaps PE can one day overcome that. Fenwick want's Altenheim, don't give it to them, build your own K-12 Cornerstone! Be on equal footing ;)

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 9:30 AM

@ Sharon, I don't have all the answers on how to create a viable tax credit or voucher system, I can see waste by looking at the Cook County taxing district statements. If you look at how schools like Avery Coonley are funded, it comes in many forms. If current owners see the benefit of a cornerstone like that having the potential to increase their property value, they may agree to a referendum that will help implement/fund such a school. look at FP aquatic center, baseball fields, turf soccer

Observer  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 9:23 AM

@ Sharon, I agree you have the pulse on partisan politics and have a great perspective on the stumbling blocks. I'm just focusing on what is FP's best asset, through the fog, we can all agree it's "location", 20 min to Mag Mile, 30min to each airport, soldier field, Wrigley, the Cell. what's the perceived biggest problem school issue/families moving away. My approach would be to explore an Independent School that would make the OP & RF residents envious, Must have tax credit/break for FP resi

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 8:57 AM

Case in point, Brian. Trudy's 'take down' of me at 8:24pm last night: " She has been very vocal on FPF under several handles, work on the local political campaign for Marty T." Trudy thinks the fact that i supported the political campaign of Marty Tellalian (which i barely did) is an indictment of my nefarious motives/character. Tellalian is a highly respected neighbor, citizen, former commissioner and candidate for mayor. Let that sink in....

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 8:33 AM

@ Brian. "...it doesn't make this ongoing feud any less bizarre or impenetrable..." I don't have an answer for you, Brian, as I've never lived in a town w/this problem. It's not only FPForums - it's the Review, Citizens United/Vox, and the many individuals who want to be involved in village government and have differing/opposing views to the PTB. We live in a democracy w/at least a two party system, as hashing out issues is still the best way humans have found for making good policy. This process is missing in FP, and folks who think it is a vital element to healthy governance are either co-opted, demonized or, alas, move away. Give it another go and please report back.

watcher from FoPa  

Posted: September 22nd, 2013 8:07 AM

@Brian, that post was from 2009. Back when MATC was a fairly regular participant on FPF, all of his posts were signed: "Mayor Anthony T. Calderone". There was also a "Team Calderone" that participated in the purge of posts. Overnight "Mayor Calderone's" post count went from over 500 to less than 100. In a few of the older threads you can see the gaps that were left behind.

Brian Kuhr from Forest Park  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 11:47 PM

@Sharon and watcher: Oh, never mind, I figured it out. :). Not sure why you're using an acronym I more closely associate with Milwaukee Area Technical College--maybe it was a board handle?--, but the obvious came to me eventually.

Brian Kuhr from Forest Park  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 11:03 PM

@Sharon and watcher:: Thanks for providing a little background on FPF. It doesn't really make this ongoing feud any less bizarre or impenetrable to folks who haven't been avid readers of the FPF, but it helps. But what the heck is MATC?

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 10:20 PM

Trudy's your back-up? Um, ah, well, good luck then...what a team! It's great bantering w/you but i opened up this blog for your innovative mosquito abatement savings ideas to fund world class FP schools. If you have real plans, you've got real listeners. Go for it.

Observer  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 9:02 PM

Thanks Trudy for the backup, I'm not quite ready to throw down and say Bill & Sharon are failures in life, I don't think either is being recruited by a major media outlet either..I am surprised that the Review allows you to conduct your business and cater to your agenda in the manner in which they do..just seems subpar..G'night I will be at Healy's around 10PM if ya want to stop by and say hi, me 6'1" 200, brown hair with gray at the temples, ruggedly handsome, sipping a 312, with my lovely ;)

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 8:52 PM

Gawd, Trudy, you're such a 'village' idiot. If by several you mean two then, yes, i posted both as citizen and Sharon Daly. I only posted as Sharon Daly when posting about my legal zoning process w/the village, which i thought was appropriate. I'm forever fond of and will stick w/citizen as my nym on FPF. You?

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 8:35 PM

@ Observer. Legit online people create friendships, alliances, marriages even (!) and sometimes enemies. Legit online folks can develop deep, often life-long relationships, similar to communicating by snail mail - you know, before automobiles and the www. One's writings leave a print and reveal the person. All we know about you, at this point, is you're not legit.

Trudy from Long time Forest Prk  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 8:30 PM

Part 2, you see it was all ok when Sharon and Bill were posting under fictitious names but soon their cover was, well, uncovered and now it is ironic that the Daly Dish can dish it out but can't take it too well. Hr only mockery is to try and out you, or in the case of little Billy he tries to use his bully approach. Both of them have failed in life and this is their outlet for their short comings.

Trudy from Long time Forest Park  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 8:24 PM

Observer you realize by now that Sharon is a joke. She has been very vocal on FPF under several handles, work on the local political campaign for Marty T. In a nutshell very biased and opinionated and the Forest Park Review rag picked her up to do their dirty work for them. Ay legitimate newspaper would have ruled out the participation of a person so politically motivated. What does that tell you. It will have to be left for the readers. @ Sharon do tell us are your paid with a payroll check?

Observer  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 7:23 PM

Wait...Sharon you have a ten year friendship with these people from the FPF and you never met met them in person?, don't know their true names, never had coffee, never attended an event together, yet you want me to post with my name? Really? Legit? Please..In a weird way it's kind of sad..you and friends from FPF never connecting in reality, everything revolves around your online personality? weird, if I wanted to chat with you personally I would email you personally..I will pass on that too.

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 7:16 PM

@ Observer. Here's the problem, you can't stay in character. For any who pay attention, you're a fake, and a bad one. So why not tell us which office you hold, or which office you intend to run for, or the legal name of your business that will profit from voucherizing/reforming our public schools, or the investors you represent? Put it on the table, Expat.

thank you Sharon from a fan of that Chris Crocker video  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 6:58 PM

Awesome blog post title. You obviously spend too much time online. ;-) cheers.

waiting for voucher explanatin from Observer  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 6:49 PM

I understand that you claim you will save money jiggering the patrolling of the Forest Preserver. Yes, let's all hate on Crook County. Whatever. But could you explain how an independent school in FP is going to be any more affordable to FPers than any other private school. I just don't get how this is supposed to address the issues in FP. How would it be different than just sending your kid to Fenwick?

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 6:38 PM

I am not on the FPR staff, i am a columnist and i have a blog, so i guess i'm an independent contractor. You, too, could achieve such heights, if you'd put your damn name on your writings, and if you lived here. Also, Logic doesn't think you're legit either, so that settles it.

Observer  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 6:18 PM

Tell ya what Sharon, I didn't even realize you were on the FP Review Staff?? Since the FP Review legitimized and empowered you, why don't you block me and make me go away.

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 6:15 PM

I've added a post to the body of the blog, courtesy of Watcher at FPForums.

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 5:25 PM

@ Observer. finally, at 5:11pm today, after weeks of charade, you get to your pitch. prob time to move the discussion over here - people don't read 100 post threads.

Observer  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 1:08 PM

OK Sharon Thanks for the slap, I guess only you can be witty & snarky? I was having a little fun with it, ya know just joining the sand box..I'm the crazy one? clearly pointing out Bill's multiple aliases? offering up a realistic solution to FP's school problem, it's about dollars, let's see FP shopped as a permanent destination not a launching pad..and if you say my Bob Cox quips weren't at least somewhat entertaining...well I know you liked them ;) can I change my handle to Ad hominem?

Sharon Daly from Forest Park, Illinois  

Posted: September 21st, 2013 9:37 AM

Yoohoo! Over here, Observer.

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